MBA / Msc in Germany, Ireland and Sweden ... Opinions required!

Application & Admission
  • Posted by rajkumar601 on 02/06/13 11:27am

    I can't thank you enough for all the lights you keep shedding on in the forum and I have been following quiet closely for two years now.

    I am writing to take your advice on my own situation.

    Following is my profile :

    1. 2.3 years of IT experience
    2. IETLS 7.5
    3. 68% in Bachelors (Computer Science and Engineering)

    I have offer from the following Universities and programs

    National University of Ireland - Msc in International Management

    University of Limerick - Msc in International Management and Global Business

    Dublin Business School - MBA in Business Management

    I chose Ireland because of GMAT being forfeited for admission in most places and the quality seem
    to fair obviously better than India.

    I am also choosing to do these courses as a calculated risk to offset the missing Business major in undergraduate and if it doesn't pay off a job right after completion, I am planning to beef it further with a Phd in Business/Management. I am
    most certain business is where I want to be. I am just struggling hard to find an expression.

    I am also considering applying to the following places (Application is almost complete and will
    apply within next week) in Germany

    1. University: Georg Simon ohm Management
      Institute
      Program/ Specialization: MBA in General
      management

    2. University: University of Applied Sciences
      Offenburg
      Program/ Specialization: MBA in International
      Business Consulting

    3. University: University of Applied Sciences
      Bremen
      Program/ Specialization: Master in Global
      Management MBA

    4. University: Berlin School of Applied Sciences
      (HTW)
      Program/ Specialization: Master of Business
      Administration and Engineering (MBA&E)

    5. University: Webster University – Leiden
      Campus
      Program/ Specialization: MBA

    6. Jonkoping international business school,
      Sweden
      Program : Masters in Global Context
      management

      What are the chances of getting an admit from the
      above universities and How good are the above
      programs?

    I am really finding it hard to take some time off and give the GMAT and that's the reason I am willing to risk it by getting a one-year course (In most cases). I basically need to make a switch and gain a foothold in Business before I think of
    long-term goals.

    Requesting you kindly to help me with your insights and opinions.

    I highly appreciate your reply in advance.

    Many thanks,
    Raj

    • Posted by Thomas Graf on 02/06/13 1:48pm

      Hi Raj,

      thank you for your question. While reading your message, there are some things that make me think - so let me comment individually. I hope these comments are valuable for you and instigate your self-reflection on what knd of eduation you want.

      Offers received from National University of Ireland - Msc in International Management, University of Limerick - Msc in International Management and Global Business, and Dublin Business School - MBA in Business Management.

      Great... now why do you want to apply for more universities? Are you not happy with these Irish ones? If you are not hapy then why did you apply? I guess you just wanted to test your chances but still I want to raise that point because applying costs money (fees) usually I recommend to take 3 or 5 favorite ones and apply there.

      "I am also choosing to do these courses as a calculated risk to offset the missing Business major in undergraduate."
      I am not sure if I understand. About 2 thirds of all Masters in Management are designed for people without a business major (source: Global MIM Survey 2012). So, there shouldn't be anything to offset - all you need to do is look for programs that do not require a fist academic degree in business (you can use our search engine and the filter "Entry requirements: no degree in business required) for that.

      "I am planning to beef it further with a Phd in Business/Management."
      I wouldn't recommend you to do that, honestly. I am currently doing a PhD in Management and believe me... this is no thing that you do just to beef it further. You should only do it if you are interested in science and ideally plan to do an academic career. Instead, try to find the best possible education for you NOW and find a job after that education (that's what you want, right?).

      "What are the chances of getting an admit from the above universities and How good are the above programs?"
      Well, I am not an expert of all these programs. But I can say the following: Intuitively, I am sure that you get acceptance at most of them. Second, these schools are serious and reliable German Universities of Applied Sciences. They provide a solid education and may have a local or regional network of businesses where you may find a job later on (talk to their career services). They are not, however, so-called top schools that is schools with an interational reputation. But no everyone needs and is able to go to an international recognized school. So, it is fine to do a MIM at these German schools. Just be aware that they are not comparable to the London Business School for instance.

      "I am really finding it hard to take some time off and give the GMAT".
      To be honest, I recommend to do the GMAT and invest 3 months of time in its preparation. If you reach 600 or more then you distinguish yourself from many others....

      "I basically need to make a switch and gain a foothold in Business before I think of long-term goals."
      I understand. And I think that a Master in Management is a good decision in this respect.

      Overall, however, it seems that you are still uncertain where to study. Instead of applying at many universities, I recommend you thinking about:

      What do you need from a MIM? Do you need international recognition? Or is it sufficient to have a solid education and a regional network?

      Based on that, identify schools that meet your criteria and check their entry requirements. Again, most schools do not require a major in business. And about half of the schools don't require the GMAT.

      Best wishes
      Thomas

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    • Posted by rajkumar601 on 02/06/13 2:29pm

      Hi Thomas,

      First off, I couldn't have had a better opinion on my state even from paid advisers. Thanks a million. It was absolutely informative.

      Why do you want to apply for more universities? Are you not happy with these Irish ones?
      I did spend a lot of money on the applications but it’s not because I wanted to test it further but because I was enlightened on the German options of late and sounded plausible exactly because of the same reasons you have quoted - a solid education and may have a local or regional network of businesses where you may find a job later on It appeared getting a job in Germany would reasonably be more viable than in Ireland.

      Try to find the best possible education for you NOW and find a job after that education (that's what you want, right?)

      I couldn't agree more with you on this. That's exactly my short-term goal - find a job after that education. The reason I mentioned PhD was, I haven't read much positives about the prospects of MIM. In case I don't manage a job, I thought I will pursue PhD as the last act. I guess if I fare well in the course I can manage a job (trusting my gut instincts)

      Do you need international recognition? Or is it sufficient to have a solid education and a regional network?
      Like I mentioned earlier, I basically wish to make a switch. A switch that would make it a meaningful path for what I want to do. Perhaps, it has been clear to be for a long time now I want to study and work in the business field. I guess to not to take more chances and invest so much on, I will rather trust this intelligence and do it in a relatively less-popular school with strong regional network and reputation.

      I will also narrow down to apply to 5 schools from the list. Would really appreciate if you can make a comment on it

      Thank you so much.

      Many thanks,
      Raj

      • Posted by Thomas Graf on 02/06/13 4:21pm

        Hi Raj,

        I understand you. Unfortunately, I cannot comment on the schools. I do recommend you, however, to get in contact with them. Lead questions could be:

        • In what respect do you have experience with no-Germans and particularly people from India?
        • Specifically, do you have experience on placing graduates from India at German firms?
        • How many students find a job 3 months after graduating?
        • Where (firms) do they work?

        Also, I suggest that you ask them to bring you in contact with current or ex-students. They can provide you with some insights,

        Finally, I recommend having a closer look at

        • the curriculum (is is what you want to learn?)
        • whether internships or in-company project are included (could help to find your future employer...)
        • and whether the school has interesring partner schools (not so important but may be a signal of interationality if the partner is abroad)

        Best wishes
        Thomas