Posted by devesh776 on 08/31/13 2:09am
First of all, great work with this website. You are helping a lot of people make some very important decisions. I applaud you.
I am an engineering graduate from India and am interested in pursuing the MiM. All of the good MiM programs are concentrated in Europe and more specifically in France. After a lot of research (getting lost a number of times, asking a lot of people and contacting universities, lots of which do not reply) I have narrowed by preferences down to --
As you can see, all these schools are in France as I want to work in Europe. Apart from being a bit inclined towards France, the facts that the economic conditions are very dim in Spain and the visa/work permit in U.K has become much more difficult for us Indians lately have restricted me to France. Kindly suggest me some more well recognized MiM programs in Europe based on my profile below. Also, kindly mention my chances (in the above mentioned schools + the one's you would suggest).
The following is my profile -Secondary - 85%Higher Secondary - 65%CGPA - 7.7/10
Career History -
Trisys Communications2013InternPart of the team handling projects for small/medium cap companies. Understanding and translating client’s perspective into creating annual reports, corporate statements etc.
Wipro Technologies Limited.2011 – 2013Project EngineerWorked as a member of a team providing support to clients handling and troubleshooting application related issues.• Project on Business Application Services, Shell Technologies.• Project on Application Development, Pitney Bowes.
Vodafone.2010InternInterned in the technical wing, handling on site calls and understanding the nuances of mobile telephony.
Siemens Enterprise Communications Limited.2009InternInterned in the commercial wing, offering client support by understanding their needs and providing solutions from the vast line of products.
I have also been volunteering (teaching kids) for a couple of NGOs that work for kids in India and have decent extra-curricular/co-curricular records.
My higher secondary results were compromised for a range of reasons personal to me. I am yet to appear for the GMAT, kindly specify the score that I should have to consider applying at the universities (enlisted by me + the ones you would suggest)
What are my options outside EU? As much as I would like to head to Europe, it would be nice to have other options as well.
Request you to kindly clarify how exactly the CEMS work as some of the affiliated universities also offer their own MiM programs.
Sorry for this longer-than-usual post. I hope to hear from you soon.
Thanks a lot.
Posted by tushar on 09/02/13 3:52am
2.i am interested in management but with my degree in mechanical and low cg will i be able to find a job even if i perform well in mim course (probably in a not so reputed college )
Posted by Thomas Graf on 09/02/13 7:10pm
thank you for your question.
"1. i am Indian with mechanical degree from reputed college with low cgpa 5.45/10 is mim is a good career path ?"Well, this depends on what you are interested in and what you want to do. If you want to build up management knowledge then a Master in Management is a very good tool to do so. Of course, with your cgpa you may not become accepted at the very top end of the schools but still you can do a MIM. I recommend you to focus on the GMAT and achieve a minimum score of 600, ideally 640 or more.
"2.i am interested in management but with my degree in mechanical and low cg will i be able to find a job even if i perform well in mim course (probably in a not so reputed college"My experience is that for your job entry your undergraduate score becomes less important. Hence, a Master in Management may provide you with a second choice to achieve a better academic grade.
Ignoring your grade for a second, I recommend you to take some time and reflect your career goals. Where would you ideally like to work after your MIM? If you like to work in the IT industry in Italy, for example, you can start to investigate in Italian MIM programs and try to find out which employers recruit there. If you like to work in India you may talk to some firms and their HR departments if they have preferred schools.
If you are uncertain about your career goals, I recommend (1) focussing on he GMAT to increase your chances and (2) screening MIM websites to become more familiar with the topic.
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Posted by devesh776 on 09/02/13 9:33pm
Thanks a lot for your detailed reply. I appreciate it.
No, I am yet to take the GMAT but I will take it very soon. I hope to score well and then start with the application procedures immediately.
Your reply has motivated me to try harder, HEC would be a dream!
I shall get back to you in case I have any more doubts.
Posted by Thomas Graf on 09/03/13 2:39pm
thank you for your question. The potential advantages of such multi-campus programs are:
I recommend you to screen these programs carefully along these three dimensions (international experience, double degree, and exposure to employers) and compare them. Depending on your preferences, you may decide, for example, that a program offers some nice advantages but that these advantages are not valuable or important for you and your career goals; or that another program matches exactly your needs. In any case, it is good to analyze them and with the dimensions above you have a structure now.
Posted by Thomas Graf on 09/03/13 2:46pm
thank you for your question. Yes, schools certainly emphasize prior work experience or internships differently and it is very difficult to assess this in advance. Here are some advises that may still help you though:
In general, I am confident that internships (and through this, exposure to the business world) will never be a disadvantage (unless you have done something very awkward) but rather an advantage. The only question is how big this advantage is.
Posted by Thomas Graf on 09/02/13 6:52pm
thank you for your question. You have a nice selection of schools - all of them grandes écoles, actually. I guess you have good chances at all of them. The hardest may be the HEC as they require top grades in your first degree. A CGP of 7.7 corresponds to a B+ if I am not wrong - so, you may be a bit lower than the HEC average here. On the other hand, you have a great cv with nice internships, which makes me confident that you have good chances hat HEC invites you for the interview.
Have you done the GMAT or GRE already? HEC MIM students have a median GMAT of 710 (minimum 640). You can have a lower score and still become accepted (since 710 is the median). But you should achieve a minimum of 640 and ideally higher given that your CGPA may be below average in HEC standards.
Let me also mention that the ESCP Europe also has campuses in Germany, Spain, Italy and the UK.
As for further programs, you can basically choose any MIM program in the Financial Times Ranking. Some of them may - similar to the HEC - require a top GPA but - again - you have a great cv and should not exclude programs in advance.
As for CEMS, this is indeed very individual. The basic idea is that each partner school offers its own Master in Management - and as a CEMS student you add another year at a member institution. In reality, there are also schools, however, that offer one CEMS MIM without a master before. The CEMS headquarter recommends everyone to contact them directly through our REQUEST INFO Button in our school contacts section.
As for the GMAT requirement among MIM schools, I have an even more detailed result from the Global Master in Management Survey 2013 (to be published this month). 45 percent of the full-time MIM programs require the Graduate Management Admission Test (GMAT). A closer look, however, reveals that only 14 percent require the GMAT and do not accept any alternative tests while the others also accept alternative tests. 17 percent require the GMAT or the GRE. 10 percent require the GMAT, GRE, or an on-campus test. 5 percent require the GMAT or an on-campus test.
Regarding the career impact of being at a GMAT school, we found that more MIM graduates find a job within 3 months of graduating if their school required the GMAT for the MIM program. Furthermore, they earn a higher salary if the GMAT was required. Doing a Master in Management at a school that requires the GMAt may make sense according to this data.
Posted by devesh776 on 09/03/13 12:08pm
One quick clarification.
MiM is a program that does not necessarily require any prior work-experience.
Do you still believe that my internships and work experiences are going to help me stand out?
If so, how much of a difference is it going to make during the selection procedure and are you aware of any schools that put more emphasis on professional experience than others?
Hope to hear from soon.
Posted by Thomas Graf on 03/09/14 7:08pm
710 median score is correct. Again: Around 640 minimum score, as told me by the HEC representative.
Posted by Daksh on 12/23/18 12:43pm
What minimum cgpa one should maintain while targetting hec ( to be on safer side)
Posted by taras on 09/02/13 10:07pm
I would like to know how good are the Erasmus Mundus MIM programs of some European universities.Is it valued the same as the regular MIM program of any particular universitiy?Politecnico di milano have one such program and according to this program we are supposed to complete the course in 3 different countries in Europe with only 6 months of study at a particular university.Will that be a good idea to pursue such a program leaving out any chances of internships?Could you give me a little in-depth idea of such programs.Also there is an European Masters in management program of Aston,EMLyon and Luxemberg merged together.
Hope to hear from you soon.
Posted by devesh776 on 09/23/13 4:20pm
Hope you are doing great!
I wrote the GMAT today. 670, Q44 V38. I am disappointed cause the quant score are the lowest I ever scored. In all my practice tests, my quant scores were hovering around 46-47 and sometimes reached 49. However, this is what it is now.
My question to you is, again, what are my chances?
I have sent my scores to the following schools --HEC, Paris-ESCP, Paris-EMLyon-ESSEC-EDHEC
I checked the HEC site and their average score is 700. So I don't have a lot of expectations there, but what about these other schools?
Also, kindly give me some tips about writing a great SOP as I believe I can still make or break it in that stage. Correct me if I am wrong.
Really appreciate your help and hope to hear from you soon.
Posted by Thomas Graf on 09/24/13 9:17am
it is pretty normal that the actual GMAT score is lower than the preparatory test scores before. On one hand, some tests are easier than the actual test. On the other hand, being excited or nervous during the actual test, combined with a new test environment may inhibit people during the test. That's one of the reasons why sometimes re-doing the test increases the score.
Overall, however, 670 is a great score - and if you should ever become NOT accepted at one of the schools mentioned before, then your GMAT score was NOT the reason. In other words: You can apply at all of these schools based on your records. Some may invite you for the interview, some not - you will not be able to change your records anyway - but I guarantee you that your GMAT will not kick you out at any of them. Again, for HEC a GMAT of 640 is sufficient.
As for the application, just make sure that you follow the admission guidelines at the schools websites' and that you write the essays well. Make sure that you write in a very good English, that you present yourself as a person with clear goals (e.g., why you want to this program at that school and what you want to do afterwards), and be able to answer the question, why a school should take you and how you could be an enrichment for the class.
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Posted by devesh776 on 09/24/13 10:42am
Thanks for the reply.
Okay then, m gonna put the GMAT behind me now and focus on the applications.
I shall get back to you lest I have any more doubts.
Keep up the good work (:P)
Posted by devesh776 on 10/30/13 8:21pm
Hope you are doing great!
I am glad to inform you that I have been invited for an interview by all 5 SAI member schools and am still waiting to hear from ESSEC (should hear from them in a week's time).
Are there any tips that you would want to give, regarding the interview? SAI says its going to be a 30 minute long personal interview. 30 minutes is a lot of time isn't it? What are the possible questions (apart from the obvious ones related to motivation, desire to study in france etc) that they could ask?
What are the traits that they will be looking for?
Please tell me anything that you might think can help me for the interview.
Thanks a lot. Hope to hear from you soon.
Posted by Thomas Graf on 11/01/13 4:14pm
thank you for your question. The best way to find out about the actual questions at a specific school is by talking to the students and ex students. I would ask the admissions office to bring you in contact with them.
In general, schools want to see how reflected a person is. They may ask you about your reasons for doing a Master, an also why you decided for that specific school and how you plan to finance it. They may be interested in your future goals.
Beyond these personal questions, they may ask you about a general management related issue such as "Why do you think that some European countries have economic problems?" or "Do you think that leadership will increase in importance in the future? Why?". Here they are bot interested in yes or no nor right or wrong - they want to see, however, how you tackle such a question. They may also ask you to solve a little case study, similar to questions that consulting agencies ask - questions where you can demonstrate your logical thinking.
My suggestion is: Reflect your personal situation well so that you can answer the first sort of questions. As for the second sort, there is not much to prepare since you don't know what they ask.
Posted by momo225 on 03/09/14 12:00pm
HI Thomas ; u said that HEC average GMAT score is 640 , did u get this information from HEC admission service? please , what are the avergae GMAT score of ESCP and EM Lyon.Here is my profile can you evaluate it?, I am targeting HEC , ESCP and EM lyon:
Ecole d'ingénieure (Engineering school) ENSEA- ABIDJAN IVORY COAST ( top econ and statistics school in subsaharan africa , top school in my country and in West African Economic and Monetary Union).average expected GPA : 13/20 ( french system)(graduation date : july 2014).
GRE : quant (168) verbal (155) ( ETS GRE-GMAT comparison tool give me an expected GMAT of 690).
23 yeard old.
work experience : 3 months internship at National Ministry for Development planning ( but i also did a lot of other professionnal activies).
-Ranked first nationwide during the recruitment test of Economic and Statistician Engineer of ENSEA-ABIDJAN ( under the supervision of CAPESA-ENSAE PARIS)-French Government Excellence Scholarship program for African student recipient.
Posted by Thomas Graf on 03/09/14 3:20pm
thank you for your question. The median GMAT score at HEC is 710. The MINIMUM score is around 640.
Your profile looks great and I am confident you will get admission at most of these schools. If you need further advice on how to analyze the programs and determine the best FOR YOU I want to recommend you my eBook "Roadmap to your Master in Business Degree".
Posted by momo225 on 03/09/14 3:58pm
Hec mim brochure sais that 710 is the median gmat score which means that half ot the candidates had a score less than 710. Where have u read that 710 is the mean?
Posted by MiM_Candidate on 03/28/14 3:04pm
I was going through this thread as I too am an indian national hoping to get into some of the colleges you applied to. I was curious as to which all colleges did you get through to and what were the interviews like. I would be really grateful for any tips and help you could provide.
Posted by devesh776 on 04/04/14 4:38pm
I was called for an interview by all the SAI schools and finally got an offer from all the schools except HEC. I accepted ESCP Europe.
The interview lasted some 20-30 mins and the questions were standard for me. No surprises there.
Firstly, I was asked to give an introduction about myself and then questions like -
I prepared a lot for the interviews and I suggest you do the same. I was lucky cause I have a friend in Paris and she helped me massively, so I could practice a lot with her as she was aware of the possible scenarios.
Try to find some1 you can practice with face-to-face and try to remain calm and confident during the interview. I think your gestures etc are observed closely and can make a difference. I also think that the french in general (at least the kind of individuals who are gonna be taking your interview) are very particular about mannerisms and are extremely polite. Therefore, try to remain polite and formal at all times during the interview.
Also, practice your introduction as it might shape the tone of the entire interview.
I hope it helps,
Good Luck (tu)
Posted by Thomas Graf on 04/05/14 12:14pm
Excellent, thanks Devesh!
Posted by vikcie on 05/31/14 9:41pm
HI thomas...!hope you are doing great..!
i also want to pursue my dreams in management through MIM.i want to know that how good is the program Msc in management of WHU Otto Beishem Germany,i have scored 710 in GMAT but i have very low CGPA 6.7/10 in my bachelor graduated in Bachelor of Technology in Information Technology from a reputed government institute of our country.and what are my chances of getting a call from st. GAllen University..?
Thanks alot and you are doing great in helping people achieving their dreams.hope to hear from you soon.
Posted by Thomas Graf on 06/02/14 2:05pm
I recommend you to read my MIM ebook. It helps you to understand the requirements of Masters in Management and to assess the quality of business schools.
Also, I recommend you to carefully read teh schools' admissions requirements. As for WHU and St Gallen, you can easily see that you need to have a bachelor degree in business administration (or a Master in any other area). Since you have a bachelor degree in technology, you are not eligible for these programs.
Finally, please have a look at our search engine and the filter "Entry requirements". There you can specifically search for programs that do not require a first degree in business.
Posted by Ashu Chaudhari on 09/16/14 7:34pm
First of all i would like to thank you for your efforts in guiding us the right directions . It will be greatly appreciated if you could help me in clearing some doubts.After completing my High school i was studying in Bachelors in Comuter application(3 yrs) but i left in 2nd year and joined other college to study Bachelors in Commerce (Economy) . MY score in Graduation is 2.3 grade (Germany scale).My GMAT score is 690
Thank youAshu Chaudhari
Posted by Thomas Graf on 09/17/14 2:39pm
I don't see why the 1.5 years should create a problem. As for your other question "How useful to do an MIM in Germany?" - well think about it yourself and share your thoughts with me. Then I am happy to comment. Before that you should read my MIM eBook first as this will answer your question to some degree already - you will learn what you can get out of an MIM, what you should keep in mind when selecting a school, how you get the best fit with your own career goals - and all of this plays into your question regarding Germany.
By Thomas GrafOwner MIM CompassAuthor of the MIM eBook
Posted by Ashu Chaudhari on 09/17/14 6:36pm
Thank you so much for your advice . I have read your MIM eBOOK , very useful i must say. GOOD JOB and God bless you.
Posted by thomas.graf on 12/27/18 9:22pm
please read my survey The MIM - Entry Requirements for the Master in Management and the respective HEC chapter.
By Thomas GrafAuthor of the MIM eBook
Posted by Komal on 01/01/19 1:29pm
Hello. I want to know if the MiM programmes are apt for me or not. I've Bachelor's of 3 years in Marketing and a score of 7.79 CGPA. I had planned for MBA from India, but CAT didn't go well, therefore my last few months don't involve any office experience. I currently too don't work and have been employed with blogging, NIIT courses in finance (hence my inclination towards that) and content writing internships. I wish to apply this year itself by Aug. So, am I the right candidate or a REAL office experience is required? I really need some help!
Posted by thomas.graf on 01/02/19 9:56am
in short, a MIM is to start a career while the MBA is to to advance a career. Without several years of postgraduate work experience, the MBA is the wrong program for you.
Whether you decide for a Master in Management (MIM) or specialized Master (e.g., in Digital Business etc.) is a question you should consider - and the answer depends on (1) your interest and (2) your career ambition AFTER the Master.
There are several ways to analyze prograsm and schools, compare their value and career options and you should reflect much deeper your own goals and match them with programs offered.
For this, please go carefully through my guide Business Masters - How you find the best Master in Management or MBA.
Posted by Sara on 06/11/19 9:58pm
Hi,I am currently pursuing B.E in Computer Science. I have a cgpa of 7.7 till my 6th semester. I am yet to appear for my GRE and IELTS exams. I want to do Master in Management in Canada, particularly in Schulich School of Business. I have no prior Work Experience. What are the chances for me to get an admission there and also what GRE score is safe for this university? If this is a dream university for me, then can you please suggest a few universities which are reachable for me and which are course-based. Hope to hear from you soon.
Posted by thomas.graf on 06/12/19 11:03am
thank you for reaching out. I recommend you to carefully read my eBook Business Masters - How you find the best Master in Management or MBA. By this you learn how to analyze MIM programs and which important sources of information you can use beyond just reading the schools' websites.
Next, I recommend you to read the survey The MIM - Entry Requirements for the Master in Management where you learn about what international business school expect from MIM applicants.
The Schulich School specifically is not included here but the Manitoba University, which is also from Canada and may be used as a reference.
Posted by A future applicant on 07/03/19 5:26pm
I would like to know if there's a cut off limit of work experience for MiM in Germany. Could two years of work experience be a hurdle in the process?
Thanks and regards
Posted by thomas.graf on 07/03/19 8:36pm
Officially, most schools don't have a formal cut-off criterion. Inoffically, most schools try to keep their classes kind of homogenous in the sense of work experience and age around 0-2 years after university graduation.
I recommend asking directly your target schools' admission managers.
Posted by Brad patel on 09/15/19 9:10am
Hello ThomasI am a a mechanical engineering graduate from India with a cgpa of 6.57. I have 1 year of working experience at masaood john bro international Dubai. I plan to do msc in business from university of Amsterdam. What are my chances of getting selected there and what gmat/gre score is required?
Posted by thomas.graf on 09/17/19 2:52pm
(1) In the survey the MIM - Entry requirements for the Master in Management you learn about the admissions criteria that 53 international MIM programs apply to select their students. This will give you a feeling of what will be expected.
(2) I would carefully screen the University of Amsterdam Admissions page.
(3) I would ask the school to bring you in contact with a current MIM student so that you can skype with him or her - ideally, it is a student from your country.
Posted by shubham katariya on 10/09/19 5:27pm
Hi Thomas ,
I am plannig for MIM from some good colleges like ESCP,ESSEC,UCD basically top 10 or top 15 colleges.My profile is as below10th-89.6%12th-85.6%Grad-9.3CGPAIn college i have published paper on my project and have won award for the project as well .I have also participated in paper presentation .
Currenty i am working in TCS and the project i am working on is related to supply chain management.Although i am working in the software domain of the project but still i am gathering knowledge for the management side of the project.I have a work ex of 15 months as of now. I have not taken GRE yet but i am planning to do so till Dec.
So my query is could you please tell me what are my chances of getting into any of these top 15 schools primarily focussed on ESCP AND ESSEC.Also could you please let me know what GRE score should i aim for.Thanks in advance
Posted by thomas.graf on 10/10/19 10:44am
your profile looks very good to me but this is just my gut feeling. You better have a look at the survey The MIM - Entry requirements for the Master in Management to see the admissions criteria that 53 international MIM programs apply to select their students.
By the way: If you have 15 months work experience now then you may have about 2 years or more at the time of your study starts, right? Then an alternative could be to keep on working and gaining experience for another year and do an MBA then.
To better understand the differences between the MIM and the MBA, please check my MIM-MBA-article.
Posted by Nahnas Nasar on 11/23/19 7:49pm
HelloI am an Btech IT graduate with 5.69 cgpa and 12 backlogs(including no. of attempts = 17). I have scored an overall 7.0 IELTS Score with individual 6.5. I had 95% in secondary education and 76% in Higher Secondary. And about work Experiance...1 yr as Entrepreneur in management field and 5 months in a technical field and has also completed a diploma course in Digital Marketing.I am aspiring for MiM programme abroad. English Speaking Countries would be preferred(Canada- 1st preferance). The main criteria I am looking for is post study visa. Please Kindly help me by suggesting a few colleges that would accept students with above profile.
Hope you would reply.Thanking You.Nahnas
Posted by thomas.graf on 11/25/19 3:46pm
my recommended and applied approach is no about "suggesting a few colleges". Instead, it is about thinking thoroughly about your own career goals, educational needs, and resources to develop a target prfile of an ideal MIM program - and, as a next step, search for programs that come close to this target profile.
In the eBook Business Masters - How you find the best Master in Management or MBA we provide a step-by-step procedure on finding out, which school and program best fits your criteria.
By the way, I would recommend considering an MBA with your work experience at the beginning of your Master. The eBook mentioned above will also help you reflect whether an MBA or a MIM may be the better solution for you. And why the MIM is not the cheaper substitute for an MBA.
Posted by Tanmay Umtol on 01/12/20 2:29pm
Hi Thomas,First of All I would like to tell you thank you for taking your time and responding to everybody in this thread,you are doing a wonderful job!Secondly, Will I be able to join top colleges or even a good reputed college for MiM course even though my grades have been really low in my academic years(10th 55% and 12th 42%.I am aware of the fact that my grades are very low compared to others) But I am really passionate about being a manager and also leading and interacting with people!I am currently in my third of my bachelors and I have yet to appear for my GMAT test.I would be glad to get your views on this matter,again thanks a lot for doing such a wonderful job!
Posted by thomas.graf on 01/12/20 10:28pm
business schools differ a lot regarding their selection criteria, also so-called top business schools. Some place a lot of weight on just a few criteria (e.g., grades) while others take several criteria into account and evaluate the applicants rather on a holistic picture.
To get a better understanding of what business schools want from their MIM applicants and to identify those less interested in grades alone, I recommend you to carefully read the survey The MIM - Entry requirements for the Master in Management. Here you find the criteria of 53 international business schools - this will help you assess, which schools may fit your profile optimally.
Thomas GrafAuthor of the two MIM eBooks
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