Posted by suhas on 06/05/12 10:46am
Hi,How good is the Dublin Business School? It is not highly ranked and offers MIM and MBA for graduates without any work experience. I want to know about the reputation of the B school, about it's career service, about companies recruiting the graduates, profile of the graduates after completion of the course. ( Since these details are not available in their website). And also clarify me about the job scenario in Ireland.( I have heard only negative notes about the job market in Ireland).
By the way: I am in my final year of mechanical engineering in a reputed institution in India.Will my undergraduate degree help me secure a job in addition to a business course I do in future?Kindly help me regarding this.
Posted by Thomas Graf on 06/05/12 5:58pm
thank you for letting me know about about Dublin Business School. I didn’t know about that school so far and we integrated its Business Masters in the MIM COMPASS. I quickly screened the website and I have several thoughts on my mind that you may want to consider. My overall impression is:
(1) This is not a bad school - they have more than 3 decades of experience in education and teach more than 9,000 students; also they belong to Kaplan in the US, a renowned education provider (think about the GMAT books) and Washington Post subsidiary; and they seem to have at least some regional recognition.
(2) On the other side, this is not a top school such as London Business School or HEC.
Therefore, my impression is that the School is neither a bad or fake school nor a top school - it rather seems to be something in between.
This leads me to my next thought: Should you study there? Given that the school is not a bad school of course you can study there. Not everyone NEEDS to study at a "top school" (or has the resources for it) - maybe the Dublin Business School is totally sufficient for your specific career needs. My advice hence is:
Reflect your career needs: If your think that having the title "MBA" helps you get a job in India or Ireland no matter where from then you can do it. If your future employers in India are picky, however, you should rather check which schools they prefer. This is something very important and ONLY YOU can do it. Think about what you want and contact the companies BEFORE you decide for a Master. Ask the people in the HR department of your favorite company if they have preferred schools - then you know what to do.
Contact the Dublin Business School: Maybe they have more assets than the first impression reveals. Maybe they have some nice career service elements that are not on the website. You can contact them in their contact section and ask them:
Carefully observe HOW and WHAT they answer you:
All of these are quality indicators of a school that you can check in advance. In other words: You do not only receive answers on your questions but also some meta-information about the school itself.
I hope this little guide how you find answers is helpful for you.
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Posted by Prafful on 08/03/13 4:25pm
My name is Prafful and i have completed my Bachelors of Business Administration. No i am planning to do Msc in Finance or MBA. I came to know about Dublin Business School. I have few questions listed below. Please help me:Is Dublin Business School a good choice?Is it worth spending money on this institute?How about the placements in Companies after the course?Can i stay in Ireland after completing my course and work there?Ho about the market, can we get jobs easily?
waiting for your reply.
Posted by Thomas Graf on 08/03/13 6:24pm
thank you for your question. I understand that you want to assess the quality of a school before you want to invest money in it. And I think your questions are the right ones. Having said that, here is my advice:
"How about the placements in Companies after the course?"I recommend you screening the school's website for career statistics.
Second, I recommend you contacting the school and asking your questions: Who comes to campus to recruit? How many graduates of your favorite course get a job within 3 months after graduation? Where (country and firm) do they get a job? If the school is not able to provide you with this information I wouldn't study there.
Third, I recommend you asking the school to bring you in contact with an alumn so that you can contact him or her with your questions.
"Can I stay in Ireland after completing my course and work there?"Here I recommend you asking (1) your embassy in Ireland and (2) again the school. Do they have experience with plaicng students of your nationality? If they never had a student from your country or placed him or her successfully... welll, maybe not the best choice.
"How about the market, can we get jobs easily?"Well, that's a very broad question...I don't know if you ever get jobs "easily" because it depends on many things, for instance on the economy, your cv, your applicatiomn, your interviews, the school's career service, contacts etc. etc.
I also wonder what you mean with "jobs". There are million of jobs and it may be a strong difference whether you want a job in an investment bank, or a consulting company, or in a neurscience start-up. I recommend that you begin to become more specific for yourself and your own goals.
"Is Dublin Business School a good choice? Is it worth spending money on this institute?"This question is also too broad. You cannot generalize as it depends on your specific background and your goals ON TOP of the school's quality.
As for your next steps, I recommend you scrolling upward and reading this Forum Topic full "Dublin Business School Topic" carefully top down. I have given a lot of advices how to assess whether the DBS matches your needs or not. The essence is that you need to reflect your goals more specifically and then assess to what degree the DBS can help you to reach your goals.
Posted by suhas on 06/05/12 6:44pm
Thank you so much Thomas.Best advice one could ever get.Thanks again.Suhas.
Posted by suhas on 06/05/12 9:17pm
By the way: Clarify me about the Masters in Management course(non business graduates) in University College Dublin Michael Smurfit Business School. ( General Management). I have heard that the B School has good reputation.Want to know about
Posted by Thomas Graf on 06/05/12 9:36pm
we offer a REQUEST INFO Button in our UCD Michael Smurfit Profile. With this you can write to the school directly and get the best possible answers for your questions 1+2.
As for question 3, the UCD degree is a degree from a Business School that belongs to a University that is accepted from the Irish state. Hence, the UCD degree will be accepted everywhere.
As for question 4, the fulltime and parttime tracks are just options depending on your preferences. In terms of the content it is the same. Ususally, graduates go for a fulltime program - the fulltime students also profit from graduate fairs and recruiting firms. In contrast, parttime programs are more for Professionals who already have a job and don't want to give it up.
One final advice: When you talk to business schools - for example when you ask them for information about the career services - I recommend you to take advantage of the words "please" and "could". It simply sounds more polite and a bit less demanding if you say "Could you please clarify..." than "Clarify me...". I am saying this because you may cause negative reactions if you communicate too harshly and people in the admissions department may question your intercultural communication capabilities (isn't a business master eventually about INTERNATIONAL management...?). Just a friendly recommendation.
Best wishes and good luck!Thomas
Posted by vignesh on 06/09/12 6:26am
sir,I am vignesh from India completed my under graduation and looking for graduation and I came across Dublin Business School and I am unable to find how good the college is? and how about programs taught in class? and how about the placements in the college? and what about there ex-students and there alumni? tell me weather to choose DBS or go for another, please help me out.sincerely,vignesh.
Posted by Thomas Graf on 06/09/12 4:51pm
I have written a long answer to your question already here - just scroll a bit upwards and you see it...
Posted by vignesh on 06/12/12 4:53pm
thank you sir, and also I have come across SPJAIN global MBA for students who have 3+ years work exp and the same college offering MGB for candidates with out work exp and the selection process is it conduct SPJAT exam who qualify the exam is called for interview. The program is one year program since it is master of global business 6 months of the course in dubai and remaining six months in singapore after completion of this program there will be 4 months internship. and after this if we get job and work for 3 years and come back to SPJAIN to convert our MGB to GMBA .
Posted by Thomas Graf on 06/12/12 11:41pm
thank you for making me aware of SPJAIN. I didn't know about this school so far and I integrated the Postgraduate Diploma in Management program into the MIM COMPASS.
Everything you say about it sounds very interesting and it appears to be a good school. For sure it seems to have a great reputation among Indian employers. If you want to know about its reputation outside of India, however, I recommend me the following strategy:
Then contact the school and ask them about their experiences with the graduates of the program.
Furthermore, contact the companies in the respective countries that you are interested in. For instance, if you would like to work for KMPG in France contact them and kindly ask if you could speak to the people in the HR Department. Say that you are planning to do a Management program at SP Jain and that you would like to work at KPMG in France later on - and that you have doubts if they know it. If they tell you that they don't recruit from that school or don't recognize it you have your answer.
This is just an EXAMPLE - but I think the strategy should be clear for you now. Talk to the school and talk to companies. Since you can't talk to ANY firm you need to narrow down your preferences first (by country, industry, and eventually employer).
Posted by vignesh on 06/21/12 5:58am
sir, how about HULT International Business school, I came to know that for non work exp students it is offering Master in International Business, sir how about this course shall we go for it please clarify me sir.
sir this is my over view can you please let what should I do?sincerely,vignesh.
Posted by Thomas Graf on 06/21/12 12:18pm
Hult International Business School indeed offers a Master of International Business ( MIB ).
It's a 1-Year program and the tuition fees are around 32,000 US$ and they have campuses in Dubai, San Francisco, Boston, Shanghai, and London. Depending on the location you may have different living expenses of course.
You don't need work experience to start that program.
Now, I don't know if you SHOULD start that program. It depends if you NEED to start a Master now, if you ARE ABLE to start it and if you WANT to start it. Basically, you need to figure out:
NEEDS: What are your career options now? Do you receive job offers that satisfy you? If not, a Master may help you increase your competences and dress-up your CV - and finally increase your career options.
ABILITY: You need to check the requirements of the programs. Work experience is not needed for MIM programs - so you are fine. Some schools such as Hult do not require the GMAT, so you are fine here too. In terms of the money you should be fine as well as you have savings and maybe you can apply for a scholarship on top if this.However, you may need to clear the other requirements as well: Are your grades sufficient and will you be able to pass the interviews? For this, I recommend you to read the Hult website in detail first.
WANTS: I understand that you look for a school and program that helps you find a job later on. The problem is that there are thousand programs and you cannot screen all of them, Therefore I recommend you to narrow down your search and FIST OF ALL clarify your preferences.In which country, industry, function do you want to work later on? What are your favorite employers? THEN contact the school (website and admissions office) and check if these firms are recruiting on the respective campus.In the case of Hult: Does this school attract firms that you are interested in? Ask the school where their graduates work after graduation (maybe you can find that information also on the school's website).
Overall, I recommend you to THINK ABOUT your situation and preferences for some time now. My comment should help you structure your thoughts. Then you should visit websites of schools and programs and try to find some information such as on careers. The next step would be to contact the schools and get into a conversation with them.
Posted by vignesh on 06/24/12 6:53pm
sir,how are the placements for MIB in HULT International Business school ? and I would like to go for Dubai campus and sir I want to say abroad for 5 years and be back o India and settle in India. sir as we spend $ 60000 for MIB and also we expect the same or near amount after MIB. so please suggest me can I go for MIB in HULT.
Posted by Thomas Graf on 06/25/12 1:17pm
it is important to keep one thing in your mind: There is no guarantee that you earn 60,000, 40,000 or 100,000 US $ after the Master. It depends on many factors (last but not least on yourself and your competences) and a Master just builds one more building block in your education.
This building block of course can have a great impact on your salary. You may gain competences, profit from the reputation of your school, or receive job offers through the network of the career service team. But eventually you have no guarantee and all you can do is PROXY the likelihood of getting the job of your dreams.
I cannot tell you about placement rates of individual schools. This is the job that you need to do by contacting the school and asking for it. However, I can give you some advises in how you can proxy the likelihood that you reach your goals after the Master.
The FIRST approach: Talk to the school (contact the admissions office and career service team)
The SECOND approach: Talk to current and ex-students (ask the school to bring you in contact with them)
The THIRD approach: Ask the employers (just call them and kindly ask to get connected with the HR team)
Ok, Vignesh, now you have a Road Map to find the answers you are looking for. Good luck for it.
Posted by rajesh on 08/20/12 8:35am
Thank you for your detailed explanation on DBS.
I wanted to know few things here, please help me out. This is Rajesh from India, I have 5.5 yr of exp in IT (networking).
My wife is working in IT and has got 4 yr of exp and into project management. Now she wants to do MBA and we have choosen some colleges in Ireland, only due to the fact that these colleges are cost effective.
We have choosen DBS (Dublin business school) becuase they are offering MBA in Project management or MBA in Cloud computing and getting an MBA from UK university. We are planning to go to Ireland because, we both wanted to settledown in Ireland post studies. The consultancy here, informed that post study we can stay in Ireland for 1 yr and if we find a work we can get the PR easily. As we both have exp., I guess we may find a suitable job in Dublin with in that period.
Could you please suggest us, is this MBA globally recognized or not. It would be a great help, if you would advise us, is there some thing wrong in the above approach and need to do MBA from recognized universities. Let us know, if there is any university to be considered in Ireland or do we need to see only countries like USA,UK, AUS and NZ for MBA studies
Thank you so much for your help in advance.
Posted by Thomas Graf on 08/20/12 1:21pm
thank you for your question.
I think such an important decision is often a balance between limited resources (e.g. financial resources) and benefits (e.g. knowledge, reputation etc.).
If I understand you corrrectly you don't need a business school with a super strong reputation globally because you plan to stay in Ireland. Of course it is always nice to have something "globally" but studying at London Business School, INSEAD, or Harvard also has its cost. Therefore, I always recommend: Think about your career goals and find the right school that fulfills them such that your investment is in a realistic relation to your goals.
In terms of Irish schools, one of the internationally recognized schools is the Michael Smurfit Graduate Business School. In our profile we offer a REQUEST INFO Button in case you want to contact the school directly.
The Dublin Business School appears to be less recognized outside of Ireland and the UK. I have to say "appears" because I may be wrong. If I were you I would simply ask their career office how they perceive themselves and their brand. It seems to be, however, well connected and recognized in Ireland (have a look at their recognition section) - and that's eventually what you are looking for, isn't it?
Posted by rajesh on 08/20/12 2:40pm
Thank you so much for your quick response.
Things that have made us to select Ireland,
Another good point you made, every one can not get a chance to study in top MBA colleges. We thought instead of doing an MBA in India from a small college, if we invest little bit high amount and one year, we may get a chance to get a globally recognized MBA and a job in Ireland. If every thing goes well later I may opt to study in MBA in a top school, because if both of us get a job in Ireland this might give us a chance to invest that money in the future.
Any ways DBS is a HETAC, which is an Ireland recognized body. I wanted to know is the Ireland based MBA globally recognized. I understand, it will not be the same like LSB or INSEED. DBS MBA awarded body - Liverpool John Moores University (LJMU) which is an UK university. Does't make any difference in the recognition of the degree.
I am sorry if I am asking too many question on the same college, but I wanted know, this MBA degree with the post degree experience in Europe will allow us to settle down in Europe. As I heared once we get citizenship in Ireland, its easy to move any of the EU countries in the future.
I thank you for your help again.
Posted by Thomas Graf on 08/20/12 2:59pm
thank you again for your questions. Overall, your approach makes sense to me. It is a step-by-step approach with a realistic view on each stage and carefully balancing investments and risk. I would be interested in your experience at DBS once you start your master or mba there.
I don't think that DBS is internationally recognized - but, first, I may be wrong (so please contact the career service at DBS just to be save), and second, it may not play a role for you. More important is that it is regionally recognized.
All the best to you and your wife and please let me know how everything turns out.Thomas
Posted by rajesh on 08/20/12 4:35pm
Thank you very much for you help on this.
One last question, may you have answered but wanted to double confirm. The MBA awareded body will not make any difference. For DBS they said MBA awarded body is Liverpool John Moores University (LJMU). So I thought the content would be UK standard and thats why it is globally recognized.
One question out of the course, if my wife goes in Student Visa and if I go as her dependent can I work for full time in Ireland. Here the consutancy people said yes, but some blogs said no. Employee should sponser for visa for it and can not work on dependent visa. If I can't work there full time, I will stay back in India as I get a decent position here, Please help me out.
Thank you so much again and will sure share our experience with DBS or Ireland once we move there.
Posted by Thomas Graf on 08/20/12 6:21pm
I think we need to distinguish between a certain accreditation of certificate or a school or program that basically guarantees some minimum standards of a program - and the global recognition in terms of employers.
Personally, I never heard of the Liverpool John Moores University (LJMU). It is definitely not an internationally known MBA institution. But it may be recognized in the UK education department as an official university. Some private business schools that are not accepted officially by the government seek for cooperations with state accepted universities to get the degree from them. This does not mean that the school is recognized by employers at all and definitely not internationally.
To be honest: I am getting a bit sceptical now the more I think about it. The normal way to approach a business school is by looking at some international standards - the most accepted ones are the accreditation agencies AACSB, AMBA, and EQUIS. Neither DBS nor LJMU has one of these accreditations, however.
I am not saying that a school or an MBA program without these accreditations is bad. I am saying that how good it is is more difficult to assess than a program or institution that was screened by an international accreditation agency.
So, unless you have a good reason to choose an MBA without such an accreditation I would always recommend you choose a program or school with AACSB, EQUIS, or AMBA.
Again: These accreditations do not give your school global recognition among employers. But they provide you some confirmation that the school designed its MBA according to some internationally accepted standards.
As for the job opportunities and visa, I recommend you contacting the Indian embassy in Dublin. They should be able to help you out.
Posted by Thomas Graf on 05/07/13 4:44pm
I guess I am too late to answer. But just in case I am not:
If you want to work in the States I recommend a US degree. There are always exceptions, for example you can choose a European program with strong partnerships with US schools - but as a rule of thumb, choosing a US program is saver if you want to work there - in terms of recognition and local network.
As for Ireland, two good sources to find out your career prospects are: the school's career service team and your local embassy.
Posted by rajesh on 08/22/12 10:28am
Thank you so much for your reply.
After the above explanation I have searched for two more colleges with in my budget.
http://www.msm.nl/Home.aspx - Netherlandshttp://www.psbedu.com/ - Praris
Could you please check these schools and advise any one of the above is good to do MBA
Posted by Thomas Graf on 08/22/12 3:35pm
thank you for your question. Following my earlier recommendation, have you checked already if these two schools have an international accreditation?
Posted by Vaishnavisj on 03/29/13 1:10pm
I am planning to enroll in Dublin Business School, MSc Marketing with Digital Media Programe. My concerns are similar to that of Suhas, as far as the School is concerned.http://www.dbs.ie/marketing-msc-with-digital-media
I have done my Bachelors in Business Administration and MBA from India. I am working as a Marketing Professional for the past 2 years in a Tea Company. I have set up an online buying portal for the company and have been looking after its marketing & sales. I lack the socialization required for my current job profile thus i thought of pursuing this course.
I would like to know the job scenario in Ireland. After completing this course i would like to get atleast 2 years of work ex. in Ireland. An other aspect would also be about recovering atleast a part of the investment i have made. Would it be too expensive to stay there and complete the course ?I might shift to US after that. So will this degree of specialization be adequate and recognised there ?Also, being a single woman i was concerned about the accommodation and safety issues.
Would appreciate your valuable feedback on my concerns mentioned above.Thank you !
Best Regards,Vaishnavi J
Posted by anant1881 on 08/21/13 12:28pm
hiI have got admission for MSc in Computing and Information Systems in DBS. I just wanted to know that is this instituition good for this course. I have scored less in my previous academics here in India and also I have a gap of few years in my education. I have completed BSc in Computer Science from Eiilm University, Sikkim. So I wanted to ask wether my previous academics would matter in getting a job in Ireland? Even if I graduate with good score from DBS?
Posted by Thomas Graf on 08/21/13 1:08pm
thank you for your question. Whether "this institution is good for this course", as you say, depends on what your goal is. From your message, I read that your goal seems to be "getting a job in Ireland". The best way to assess your job chances in Ireland with this degree may be the following:
In general, the grades from your undergraduates studies may be less important for your job entry than your grades in the Master's. This means that very likely no company will care too much about your grades in the first academic degree if your master's grades are excellent.
Posted by anant1881 on 08/21/13 8:14pm
Hi Thomas. Thanks a lot for your quick response. The points that you mentioned are very much valuable and the answers of which would surely give me a clear picture about choosing the institution. I will try to find the answers of those points, from the career/admissions office of DBS. They have given a site address for their career guidance dept. If possible can you please go through the site and tell me what all things can you conclude after studying the site. the site is:
Posted by Thomas Graf on 08/21/13 9:36pm
I have a different idea. You tell me your thoughts about this site - and then I comment, ok?
Posted by mathew k k on 02/13/18 5:20am
I have completed my undergraduation in mechanical engineering recently and lm planning to continue my masters in DBS,Dublin.So I kindly request you to suggest me courses and the required IELTS score for doing ms in your college. I hope that you sent me the reply soon
Posted by thomas.graf on 02/13/18 9:22am
I am afraid but I never suggest courses. I do recommend you to pursue a specific logic when you search for business-related Master degrees, a strategy to identify, analyze, and eventually select a program.
Is this the right program for me?Is it worth the investment?What shall I do when I have been accepted from more than one school?
You find this logic in my Business Masters eBook.
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Posted by mathew k k on 02/13/18 12:11pm
I actually need to know which all courses are available for me to my postgraduation as I have completed mechanical engineering
Posted by thomas.graf on 02/14/18 9:56am
why don't you go to www.mim-compass.com, select "project management" in the filter PROGRAM FOCUS and "first degree inbusiness not required" in the filter "Academic requirements"?
This will give you a list of programs for graduates without a business backround.
Posted by nack on 10/16/19 1:32pm
hi i want to pursue Ms in Digital marketing or marketing without gre and gmat in us. is there any school ?
Posted by thomas.graf on 10/17/19 11:25am
I guess most Masters in Marketing don't require either test.
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Posted by Mamta on 10/30/19 9:22am
I am.planning to pursue MBA in finance from National college of Ireland. Just wanted to know if it is a good choice and if it is recommended for MBA degree ?
Thanks and RegardsMamta
Posted by thomas.graf on 10/30/19 10:47am
thank you for reaching out.
There is no general answer to your question, however, as it depends on what you want. For some people a school with low tuition fees (but without international accreditation or international students) may be a good school because it is next door, because a favorite employer recruits at that school etc.
And for another student it has to be a school where Goldman Sachs recruits, an international campus, highly ranked in the Financial Times Ranking and unfortunately with high tuition fees.
Therefore, we recommend to translate this question into "Which school is better for YOU?".
In the eBook Business Masters - How you find the best Master in Management or MBA we provide a step-by-step procedure on finding out, which school and program best fits your criteria.
Posted by Mamta on 10/30/19 1:55pm
Many thanks Thomas. May be it was a generic question, let me rephrase it. I am interested in pursuing MBA in International business hence wanted to know about the best colleges in Ireland. I have heard about National college of Ireland and yeah may be you are right tution fees is also one of my concern however I am also looking placement in reputed company, hence need your guidance and advise on this college if you would recommend it.
Posted by thomas.graf on 10/30/19 3:20pm
Let me try it again :)
The question "wanted to know about the best colleges in Ireland" is misleading as there are not THE BEST COLLEGES in Ireland in my opinion.
One may be top-ranked but not the best school for you. One may be not ranked at all but not be the best school for you.
It solely depends on your needs - e.g., what education do you need from a school to maximize your career chances afterwards. And that's exactly what I describe abundantly in my eBook Business Masters - How you find the best Master in Management or MBA - there Ivprovide a step-by-step procedure on finding out, which school and program best fits your profile.
I admit that my approach me be different from what marketing machineries want to tell you but my approach follows a 15 years experience in coaching students.
So, again: I cannot answer you the question "what are the best schools in Ireland" because it depends on your career goals. I recommend you to reframe your question into: "What are the best schools in Ireland - for an MBA for example - for me?".
Then my eBook will lead you into an analysis of your career goals, experience goals and resources to come up with an ideal MBA for you. And THEN (only THEN) you can analyze schoolsl in Ireland effectively to find out which one is YOUR best program.
Read my eBook and then lets talk again.
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