Posted by aviral1024 on 01/09/14 3:22pm
I'm applying to all the 5 schools covered in the SAI application. I had initially planned to meet the spring session deadline but now i'm having second thoughts. The reason for this is that i have a low graduation gpa of 5.73/10 and i thought i could compensate it to some extent by getting a good gmat score. But i've only got a 630 on the gmat which i'm sure is not a kick ass reason for the schools to select me.Now i'm thinking of writing the gmat again because i know i'm capable of crossing the 700s. But then i'll have to apply in the spring session of SAI and i'm not sure how it would fair for me since the number of applications and the competition would be relatively higher.
What do you suggest i should do? Stick with the 630 score and apply now or improve the gmat score and apply in the next session ?
Posted by Thomas Graf on 01/10/14 6:24pm
you mean the following schools, right?
AUDENCIA NantesEMLYON Business SchoolESCP EuropeHEC ParisSKEMA Business School
I am afraid that your GPA strongly reduces your chances of becoming accepted at these schools, and a higher GMAT score may hardly compensate for this. Particularly with respect to ESCP and HEC, I don't see much of a chance since these schools are in the Top-5 of the FT MIM Ranking and focus strongly on academic excellence.
EM Lyon, moreover, is on position 11, Skema on 29, and Audencia on 31. Of course, you cannot directly refer from each individual ranking position to the academic requirements - but the tendency is that the higher the ranking position, the more selective the school, and the less chances to compensate this with the GMAT.
Still, I think your ambition to achieve a higher GMAT score make sense to me and may increase your chances at least at some of these 5 schools.
By Thomas Graf
Posted by aviral1024 on 01/10/14 9:53pm
Thank you for the prompt reply and i really appreciate the honesty.
I have a query. I have researched about the programs just the way you tell us to in your posts..contacted the admissions office , screened their websites etc. And most of the programs that satisfy my requirements happen to be the ones offered by the colleges like IE Spain , ESCP europe , Stockholm and few other schools that are listed in the top 25 in the ft rankings.
Now i understand that with a gpa as low as mine , as you had rightly stated my chances are massively reduced. But aren't there any controllable factors that i can bank upon to improve my chances for atleast getting an interview call from these dream colleges.
Or should i lower down my expectations and drop the idea
Posted by Thomas Graf on 01/13/14 12:39pm
I would definitely not drop the idea. Just because your chances at some very selective schools such as HEC may be low, (1) I would still try it provided that you know for sure that and why you want to study there and (2) I would definitely apply at other schools you are interested in, particularly if you are open to schools at a bit lower ranking positions.
There are schools even in the top-ten ranking, e.g., IE Business School, that claim for themselves to have a rather "holistic" approach such that they do not only look at academic grades. Instead, they take also into account the person's motivation, the essays, and non-academic experience that the applicant built up in his or her life. There are more schools, but if you are interested in IE specifically, I recommend sending an email to Nita Swinsick and asking her about whether she would recommend you to apply.
Also, a GMAT of 630 is not bad at all for many schools - for EDHEC, for instance. If you are interested in this school, you can receive a personal feedback from Maureen Byrne form EDHEC - just send her your cv. Send your cv first to me (info at mim-compass dot com) and will forward it to her. EADA is another school that may accept your application after having screened your full profile.
Hence, I would clarify first (if not done yet) which schools are potentially interesting for you. You mentioned the top-25 in the FT MIM Ranking. Ok, but not all of them accept people with a non-business background. So, without such a background take only the schools with the label "Pre-experience: no academic background in business or economics required" in our Ranking list. If you, i fact, have a business background, choose only thjos programs with "Pre-experience: academic background in business or economics".
Then, make a list of some schools in the top-ten that you are very interested in; second, make a list among the schools from 11-20, and finally from 21-25. Finally, I would apply schools in all three lists - but only those where you really want to study. So, make sure to collect information in advance and talk to alumni.
As for things you can do to improve your cv. First, I am confident that you can get admission at some of thee schools mentioned above right now. If you want to improve your chances, however, yes a higher GMAT score would be helpful. Also, make sure that you write very good essays (the goal here is that you demonstrate your ability to discuss a topic critically, that is from from different angles and come to a conclusion; or that you explain your career goals very well); and if you can do a qualified internship at a company, that would be helpful too.
by Thomas Graf
Posted by Thomas Graf on 01/14/14 12:50am
At EM Lyon you can apply as well. Check out Rebecca's answer. And feel free to contact her directly.
Posted by Narendra Hampole on 01/31/18 10:20am
I hope you are doing fine.
I'm having this dilemma on whether to apply for these 5 business schools through SAI or not.
I know these are highly reputed colleges especially ESCP and HEC and the chances of acceptance is low.
But in my case, I have thought of applying for some UK universities also. Would this be feasible?
I mean, I'll get through any university in UK, but still, I'm keeping my hopes high. Because I really want to get into HEC. I can even opt for dual degree, If I'm eligible to apply. So please help me out, my academics scores are like this:
10th: 10/10 GPA. 12th: 84%.Bachelor of Engineering(civil): 7.71/10. (2017 output).No gap in education till now.I'm 22 years of age.I have 2 internships of 3 months each. One in civil and the other in Management.I have organised various events in college and was an active member and co-ordinator of 3 standard clubs in college. I have booked IELTS on Feb 10th. I haven't booked GRE yet. Please suggest me within what date I'll have to take up GRE. I have LOR and SOP and all other documents ready. I'm also in need of Scholarship. And lastly, I'm looking for MSc in Management (or) MSc in International Business. So, Keeping all these data in mind, I need your best and apt suggestion as early as possible because I'm running out of time. Thanks in advance.
Posted by thomas.graf on 02/02/18 9:43am
I understand your question and your need for guidance. But have you done your homework already?
(1) Read "Business Masters: How you find the best Master in Management or MBA"(2) Read "The MIM - Entry Requirements for the Master in Management"
You find both guides at www.mim-compass.com/ebooks
I dedicated a lot of time to write the first book and I dedicated a lot of time to conduct the survey for the second. So, I strongly recommend everyone to invest a bit of time in working through both of them as this will answer many of your questions - and give you a plan of conduct at the same time.
By Thomas GrafOwner MIM CompassAuthor of the MIM eBook
Posted by Aryan Bhardwaj on 03/22/18 5:33am
I hope you are doing good.
I have a small query.
Please have a look at my profile:
BA honors German - 7.25/10French A2 [CEFR]IELTS - 7.5Gmat yet to write, expecting 650+
Which MIM would be great for me? I am really confused.
And one more thing it is really hard to secure job in Spain after graduation? I am interested in Master in International Management offered by ESADE, but not sure about job scenario. Can one work in other European country after graduating from some institute like ESADE or IE in Spain.
Posted by thomas.graf on 03/22/18 11:24am
as for your first question - which programs are great for me - you can look (1) at the requirements and (2) at the fit between your goals and the career offers from the school/program.
As for (1), I recommend you to read my survey among 55 MIM programs worldwide: "The MIM - Entry Requirements for the Master in Management".
As for (2), I recommend you to follow my instructions on "career goal analysis" and "program/school analysis" in my eBook "Business Masters: How you find the best Master in Management orMBA".
Posted by Raghu on 05/12/18 5:49pm
I got graduation degree from Tier-1 college of India with CGPA 9.1 out of 10 and also have one plus year work experience. I haven't given GMAT and IELTS yet. What are the chances of me to get in to HEC, if my GMAT score is above 700?
Posted by thomas.graf on 05/14/18 9:42am
in the eBook "The MIM - Entry Requirements for the Master in Management" you find the detailed information about what HEC Paris really expects (including their most important criterion, their second most important criterion etc.).
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