Posted by firstname.lastname@example.org on 08/21/13 5:53pm
HELLO,I M A ENGG. BACK GROUND STUDENT FROM INDIA ,CURRENTLY HAVING 5 MONTHS EXP. IN ACDAMIC FIELD.I WANT TO PERSUE A MSC. IN MANAGEMENT DEGREE FROM GERMANY.I SCORED 770 IN GMAT..AND NOT DONE WITH MY TOEFL OR ILETS.I M CONFUSED ABOUT THESE TWO..WHICH IS BEST FOR ME FOR A MIM IN GERMANY.AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET IN TO A TO GERMAN MIM PROGRAM LIKE...HHL,WHU,MANHELM.BCZ I M ENGG. BACKGROUND STUDENT.I M PLANNING TO APPLY TO UNIVERSITY OF COLONGE..IS THEY PROVIDE ON CAMPUS PLACEMENT SERVICE..OR WE HAVE TO FIND JOB BY APPLYING ON OUR OWN...I STUDIED SOME SUBJECTS ON BUISNESS AND ECONOMICS (AROUND 25 ECT OUT OF 200) DURING MY ENGG.IS THIS CAN HELP ME TO GET IN TO MIM PROGRAM ?I M INTRESTED IN INTERNATIONAL MANAGEMENT/INTERNATIONAL MARKETING...I M CONSIDERING MIM IN GERMANY BECAUSE OF MY FINANACIAL CONDITION AND ALSO JOB PROSPECT AFTER EUROZONE CRISIS.IS THERE A JOB CERTAINTY AFTER A MIM FROM UNIVERSITY OF COLONGE.ANY OTHER PROGRAM SUGGESTION FOR ME..MY MAIN QUESTION IS =CAN ENGG. HAVE A 0MIM DEGREE FROM GERMANY WITH CERTAINTY OF JOB WITHIN 3 MONTHS OF GRADUATION?..
ANY HELP PLZ.
Posted by Thomas Graf on 08/22/13 12:41am
thank you for your question. Here some thoughts that come to my mind when I read your post (pretty difficult to read, by the way, coz all in capitals...).
First: Congrats to your GMAT score. That's awesome - you must be a genius!
Second: It is very early to consider a master's degree. If you are studying your undergrads just for 5 months you will need at least 2.5 more years, right? A long time... Please don't misunderstand me - it is great that you think about your future early. Just keep in mind that in 1.5 or 2 years when you apply for a Master many things can be different (e.g., your private situation, your goals, the job market etc.).
Third: As for the TOEFL or IELTS both tests are equally valuable. My personal impression is that the TOEFL is a bit more proliferated in Europe, though. The TOEFL should not be a problem for you - the language part in the GMAT, for instance, is much more difficult.
Fourth: As for the German Masters in Management, please use our search engine with the following filters:
Then you see that there are only 16 programs - the other about 50 programs not listed here require a first degree in business. Hence, you have a choice but as a graduate with an engineering background you have less choice in Germany when it comes to Masters in General Management (MIM).
I recommend that you screen the websites of these 16 programs in depth and thoroughly: Admission requirements, curriculum, structure, career statistics etc.
Fifth: Are your business courses helpful? They are definitely helpful as they show that you have an interest and basic knowledge in business contexts.
Sixth: if you are interested in Masters in Marketing you find 5 target programs. Screen them as well.
Finally, I stumble upon your expression "Job certainty". Let me be very clear and honest here: There is nothing like a job certainty, not eve in Germany these days. And the reason is that getting a job depends on many things. The economy, the career service of a school, your overall cv, your personal performance in the interviews, etc.
Doing a Master's degree at a business school in Germany may help you find a job but is not necessarily an advantage over a degree form abroad. It all depends. For example, if you want to work for BCG or McKinsey you have to graduate at a limited number of schools - otherwise you will not be taken into consideration. If you do a degree in Germany where McKinsey does not recruit you have no chance. If you graduate at a school abroad, however, where they recruit, you have a chance.
Bottom line: Try to clarify your potential and ideal employers first. Where do you want to work? Which industry? Which employers? Then do these things:
(1) Screen the schools' websites for career statistics and call them - try to find out who has recruited graduates from your target program? Are these the firms you want to work for?
(2) Contact the employers' HR departments (from your top 3 firms) and try to get into dialogue with them. What are their favorite campuses to recruit from?
(3) Try not only to identify a school and program where your favorite employers recruit BUT ALSO where people of your nationality studied. You can find this out through the schools' websites or by contacting the admission offices. The idea here is: If a school has no experience in placing people from your country this may not be the best place for you....
Now you have a lot of new thought and a road map. I hope it is helpful.
By Thomas Graf
Posted by email@example.com on 08/23/13 7:07pm
thanks sir,well first of all sorry for writing capitals...i thought it will helpful to read but it was a fiasco .and the 5 month exp. i mentiond was of my work exp.as i completed my engg. and was a lecture in engg. college teching students analog electronics subject..and i m plaaning for management as i want to leave tech. field..tnx for reply that gernamy was not my cup of tea for genaral management..and yes boston consulting group , bain co.and mckinsey are my dreams..what u think about wu ,vienna/buisness engg. program in belgium..is they relevant for my needs.where should i apply/study go get placed company like bcg/mckinsey/bain co?...i am planning to join a program in sept2014 acadamic session.regardssoumya ranjan
Posted by Thomas Graf on 08/23/13 7:43pm
with 1.5 years of experience next September a Master in Management makes sense. Or, alternatively, you work another year and apply for an MBA then.
WU Vienna has a great reputation. But if you want to become recruited by McKinsey etc. I would contact the admissions office and ask if McKinsey / BCG etc. recruit graduates from the respective program.
Posted by firstname.lastname@example.org on 08/25/13 10:36pm
thanks,really greatful for your help.and again 90 % of my doubts were unveiled by browsing this site..such a wonderful site with all info that i wanted..one thing itss missing out is the placement/job scenerio of these degree..but its really helpful.
thanks and regardssoumya ranjan
Posted by Thomas Graf on 08/25/13 11:38pm
you can find placement information with this degree in our Global Master in Management Survey 2012. About 9 out of 10 graduates find a job within 3 months from graduating. Average salary in the first year is EUR 43,000, ranging from EUR 10,000 to 71,000. For comparison, you can also check for average salaries using the Financial Times Master in Management Ranking - the average salary there is about EUR 40,000.
By the way: If you like this site, I would appreciate if you could post it in forums or recommend it to you friends. Moreover, I am sure that business schools would be happy t hear about it when you interact with them or eve apply somewhere. Thank you in advance.
Posted by email@example.com on 08/26/13 9:01pm
thanks,the survey was helpful and yeah...i recomended many of my friends in indian management preparation sites...they all said..itss really helpful for global context....and i will definatly consult you before my final selection of insitute..hope you dnt mind helping me in crucial time..thanks in advance.regards and thankssoumya ranjan
Posted by Shantanu on 04/30/21 12:43pm
Sir, I am engineering student from India, currently pursuing 3rd year of my course. I wanted to ask which colleges in Germany accept students for Masters in management program for engineering backround students?
Posted by thomas.graf on 05/03/21 10:57am
here you can find it out: Go to mim-compass.com, select "Germany" and "no academic backround in business required" and check the results.
Best wishes,Thomas Graf
Founder of the MIM CompassAuthor of the MIM eBooks
Posted by Vijaykanth on 06/24/18 4:28pm
Hello,I just completed my BSc Agriculture (4years), i want study Masters in Management, am I eligible for MIM
Posted by thomas.graf on 07/03/18 11:02am
Masters in Management differ in terms of their requirements. One group of MIM programs requires a first degree in business and another group does not. Please go to https://www.mim-compass.com and the Search Engine and select the following:
PROGRAM FOCUS: Master in ManagementACADEMIC REQUIREMENTS: First degree in business NOT required
This gives you a list of all MIM programs for which you don't need a business-related first degree = you are eligible to apply in general.
By Thomas GrafOwner MIM CompassAuthor of the MIM eBook
Posted by Divya sri on 01/31/19 5:34pm
I have many doubts regarding this mim if aa engg student can take this course or not if yes which would be the better stream and is it free of cost in any univesity or no and what do i require to this course in advance and the documents required for this
Posted by thomas.graf on 02/01/19 9:59am
I recommend you reading the eBook Business Masters: How you find thebest Master in Management or MBA. This will clarify a lot instantly - and it will also provide you with the tools to find answers that are not directly included in the eBook.
By Thomas GrafAuthor of the MIM eBook
Posted by Nityansh Bhati on 10/14/19 7:54am
My 10th grade- 9.8 and 12th percentage- 87.2%, undergrad GPA is 7.8 till 6th sem (from a reputed Engg. college), GRE - 322. I want to do my MiM from colleges like HBS, ESSEC, ESCP, ESADE. What are my chances of getting admission with scholarship?
Posted by thomas.graf on 10/15/19 11:34am
these are two questions, in fact.
How likely is it that you get admission? Please compare your records with the admissions criteria that top schools have as published in the MIM Entry Requirements Survey.
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